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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

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  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Anna Marina

  Hi Jan

  They say the Fall (Autumn) because in Israel the Secular Calendar starts in the Autumn, the 7th month Tishri turns the year. The Ecclesiastical Calendar starts in Spring and the 1st month Nisan turns the year.

  The Bible does not use the Secular Calendar, it uses the Ecclesiastical one.

  Looks like WT thinks Adam was created in the Autumn. So by their calculations he must have gone hungry for a bit as he went through Winter.

  (Genesis 1:29) . . .And God went on to say: “Here I have given to you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth and every tree on which there is the fruit of a tree bearing seed. To you let it serve as food.

  Maybe they think he had some pumpkins to eat. And maybe they think that newly created Adam appreciated autumn colour, was happy with windfalls and liked kicking piles of dried leaves.
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  Which Proverb fits best when encountering Ideologues.

  by peacefulpete in

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  proverbs 26:4. do not answer a fool according to his folly,.

  proverbs 26:5. answer a fool as his folly deserves,.

  that he not be wise in his own eyes.

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  Employ enough double negatives and trigger words you can make people think you are saying anything they think you are saying which in fact you may not be saying at all.

  But I guess that's not what we are discussing here. Or is it? Well, if it is, here is an example. It is taken from page 317 of a book called the Blind Watch Maker, written by Richard Dawkins:

  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. The essence of life is statistical improbability on a colossal scale. Whatever is the explanation for the existence for life, therefore, it cannot be chance. The true explanation for the existence of life must embody the very antithesis of chance. The antithesis of chance is nonrandom survival, properly understood. Nonrandom survival, improperly understood, is not the antithesis of chance, it is chance itself. There is a continuum connecting these two extremes, and it is the continuum from single-step selection to cumulative selection. Single-step selection is just another way of saying pure chance. This is what I meant by nonrandom survival improperly understood. Cumulative selection, by slow and gradual degrees, is the explanation, the only workable explanation that has ever been proposed, for the existence of life’s complex design.
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  Records

  by Jerryh in

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  i was never a witness but i think they keep extensive records.

  could they produce these names today?.

  mostly curious.. .

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  Anna Marina

  Love the way they wrote that:

  It is within the realm of possibility and of likelihood... the names of those... who have been blessed by this supernal resurrection will be published in full for the information of the human family in their earthly Paradise

  So you will know they have been resurrected because... it got published the Year Book? It was in the Watchtower, just after the article on Gilead Graduates? It was on the Broadcast - Gerrit announced it?

  *** w89 8/15 p. 20 par. 23 Paradise Restored Glorifies God ***
  Thus, the absence of the 144,000 spirit-begotten anointed disciples of Jesus Christ from the earthly Paradise will be fully understood to the satisfaction of everybody and with a wholehearted rejoicing over them and together with them.

  Under such circumstances, who on earth is going to be able to count them if they can't see them?
  
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  Which Proverb fits best when encountering Ideologues.

  by peacefulpete in

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  proverbs 26:4. do not answer a fool according to his folly,.

  proverbs 26:5. answer a fool as his folly deserves,.

  that he not be wise in his own eyes.

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  Anna Marina

  Jesus did not answer the Pharisee according to the Pharisee's attitude. Instead he answered the Pharisee as the Pharisee deserved, so as to give the Pharisee a chance to get the right idea about God's values.

  (Luke 7:39-47) . . .At the sight the Pharisee that invited him said within himself: “This man, if he were a prophet, would know who and what kind of woman it is that is touching him, that she is a sinner.” 40 But in reply Jesus said to him: “Simon, I have something to say to you.” He said: “Teacher, say it!” 41 “Two men were debtors to a certain lender; the one was in debt for five hundred denarii, but the other for fifty. 42 When they did not have anything with which to pay back, he freely forgave them both. Therefore, which of them will love him the more?” 43 In answer Simon said: “I suppose it is the one to whom he freely forgave the more.” He said to him: “You judged correctly.” 44 With that he turned to the woman and said to Simon: “Do you behold this woman? I entered into your house; you gave me no water for my feet. But this woman wet my feet with her tears and wiped them off with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss; but this woman, from the hour that I came in, did not leave off tenderly kissing my feet. 46 You did not grease my head with oil; but this woman greased my feet with perfumed oil. 47 By virtue of this, I tell you, her sins, many though they are, are forgiven, because she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little. . .

  
  
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  Just wondering

  by Iamallcool in

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  can someone with dementia get disfellowshipped?.

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  Anna Marina

  One elder in our cong had dementia. He was in a home. But they kept him on as an elder.

  He was married by had a bad reputation for rubbing himself against the sisters. I remember him blocking a gate so I had to squeeze past his fat stomach.
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  Butchered pronunciation

  by road to nowhere in

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  since it is my turn (wife) to have the assembly streamed they start with the music.. i have never in 70 years heard it called a "pree-lood".

  twice, morning and afternoon..

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  We were given a talk about orgies. But the elder pronounced it with a hard 'g' as in 'organization.'

  Sounded like corgies without the 'c'.
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  Watchtower Disparages the Bible

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i'm looking for wts quotations that contrast with ii timothy 3:15-16 whereby they downplay scripture.. here is one from way back..

  "...people cannot see the divine plan in studying the bible by itself...if he then lays them [scripture studies] aside and ignores them and goes to the bible alone, though he has understood his bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.

  on the other hand, if he had merely read the scripture studies with their references, and had not read a page of the bible, as such, he would be in the light at the end of the two years, because he would have the light of the scriptures," (watchtower, sept. 15, 1910, p. 298).

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  If you read the Bible on your own and ignore WT nonsense you are not humble and will act foolishly.

  *** w82 6/1 p. 19 par. 14 Loyally Submitting to Theocratic Order ***

  A mental attitude that must be guarded against is thinking more highly of ourselves than we ought to think. (Romans 12:3) That could lead a Christian into believing that he has a special mission from God apart from the channel through which Jehovah dispenses his truths and directs his household. It would, in effect, place him in a supposed special relationship with Jehovah not enjoyed by any other brother or sister in the household. But that sort of isolation can lead only to folly: “One isolating himself will seek his own selfish longing; against all practical wisdom he will break forth.”—Proverbs 18:1.

  
  
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  Just wondering

  by Iamallcool in

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  can someone with dementia get disfellowshipped?.

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  Anna Marina

  Can someone with dementia die and leave their money to the Society in their will?
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  Butchered pronunciation

  by road to nowhere in

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  since it is my turn (wife) to have the assembly streamed they start with the music.. i have never in 70 years heard it called a "pree-lood".

  twice, morning and afternoon..

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  Anna Marina

  (Judges 12:5-6) . . .“Are you an Ephraimite?” When he would say: “No!” 6 then they would say to him: “Please say Shibboleth.” And he would say: “Sibboleth,” as he was unable to say the word correctly. And they would lay hold of him and slay him at the fords of the Jordan. So there fell at that time forty-two thousand out of Ephraim.

  
  
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  W. H. Conley

  by vienne in

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  a new article about w. h. conley: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  Anna Marina

  So while Conley rapidly faded from Zion's Watchtower...

  I couldn't help smiling - so the 1st President of the Watchtower Society pioneered fading. Love it. A man ahead of his time.

  And I agree with Nikolaus - very interesting research. Thank you.